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Message de alep posté le 18-11-2011 à 16:42:55 (S | E | F)
Did you ever hear of the word "UNTRAINING". Untrained is quite common. "To untrain" seems unknown.
But I heard "untraining" in the mouth of an MP the other day on the BBC. It was a matter of social problems linked to the lack of training.
He was mentioning a few causes of unemployment, and said "untraining" was one of them.
Good dictionaries don't have it, but it seems quite common on the web nowadays like, f.i., in the expression: "due to untraining".
Any comments, dear specialists of our forum?
Thanking you very much in advance,
Réponse: Untraining de lucile83, postée le 18-11-2011 à 17:34:24 (S | E)
The word 'untrained' exists of course, but I could not find the word/verb 'untrain' and thus 'untraining' in any dictionary.
We can find 'untraining' however on the web ,which means 'deprogramming' then, especially in psychological topics.
The word 'untraining' is also used as a lack of training in some cases.
I think the MP you heard on the BBC sounded like some people who invent or use words without wondering whether they are correct or not.
We have similar people in France,don't worry! I haven't got any new word coming up to my mind but I find it quite funny when I hear them.
Well, what can we object to that fashionable invention of words? a language is alive,isn't it? That is true for any spoken language in the world.
La langue française change tout le temps. Chaque année de nouveaux mots apparaissent soit parce qu’ils proviennent d’une autre langue, soit ils ont été purement inventés, soit parce que la langue française est influencée par la société contemporaine… Même des noms propres peuvent y être rajoutés (et donc souvent des personnalités).
Réponse: Untraining de notrepere, postée le 18-11-2011 à 18:18:04 (S | E)
Some verbs like "learn, do, lock, etc." have an "un-" counterpart, but others don't (officially). The un- prefix just describes the opposite of a process of the verb without "un-". The fact that the word "untrained" officially exists makes it more natural to turn it into a verb. This reminds me of a thread on the site a month or two ago. Someone wanted to "un-like" someone on a social network. If you "like" someone, why can't you "un-like" them? Some things are easier to undo than others. We can write but we can't unwrite. We can cry but we can't uncry. You can break my heart, but contrary to what the song says, you can't unbreak my heart.
If you hear a British MP say "untrain", don't worry. But if they say "gotten" you should be very worried indeed.
Modifié par notrepere le 18-11-2011 18:29
You forget, dear Lucile, that America was colonized by the British. They gave us "gotten" in the first place and tea too. We didn't invent it. I very much like gotten. I've gotten used to gotten and I certainly don't want to unget it. Got it?
Modifié par lucile83 le 18-11-2011 19:57
Réponse: Untraining de lucile83, postée le 18-11-2011 à 18:23:11 (S | E)
Oh my God! that's impossible! gotten is and will stay !
How could I tease you dear np if that was not the case?
Réponse: Untraining de gerondif, postée le 18-11-2011 à 18:56:47 (S | E)
that reminds me of the "unhate" Benetton campaign, I had never seen that verb either!!
Réponse: Untraining de alienor64, postée le 18-11-2011 à 23:26:03 (S | E)
"We have similar people in France,don't worry! I haven't got any new word coming up to my mind but I find it quite funny when I hear them. "
I remember a word , never heard before its invention in China by a well known French woman :
"la bravitude " !!!
Réponse: Untraining de lucile83, postée le 19-11-2011 à 08:24:39 (S | E)
Oh yes, I remember it now, thanks!
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